Rihanna Ex-Publicist Jonathan Hay on Jay-Z alleged WILD S*xual Past, Ray J & Beyonce alleged affair
This podcast features Jonathan Hay, a seasoned publicist with a wealth of experience in the music industry, who speaks candidly about his connections to high-profile figures such as Diddy and Jay Z. He dives into the ongoing allegations against Diddy, discussing the implications of his arrest and the wave of victims coming forward with their stories of abuse. Hay also emphasizes the credibility of Jaguar Wright, who has been vocal about her experiences and claims regarding Jay Z, suggesting that her revelations are just the tip of the iceberg. Throughout the conversation, he challenges skeptics to fact-check his assertions and highlights the importance of speaking out against the entrenched corruption within the industry. The episode not only sheds light on the darker aspects of celebrity culture but also reflects a growing movement towards accountability and justice for victims.
Chapters:
- 00:00 - The Legacy of Notorious B.I.G
- 07:06 - The Controversy Surrounding Jaguar Wright's Accusations
- 12:47 - The Evolution of Jay Z and Hip Hop Culture
- 24:56 - The Vendetta of Accountability
- 26:44 - The Fall of Jay Z and Beyonce
- 42:06 - The Emergence of a New Regime in Hip Hop
- 46:41 - The Impact of Allegations
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Transcript
You know, people can.
Jonathan Hay:You know, people can check me and fact check.
Jonathan Hay:I was working with the Notorious B.I.G camp, right?
Jonathan Hay:And I did a deal with Biggie's estate.
Jonathan Hay:Biggie was best friends with who?
Jonathan Hay:Jay Z.
Jonathan Hay:And he was signed to Diddy.
Jonathan Hay:And people, A lot of people say, oh, Biggie was about to leave Bad boy.
Jonathan Hay:No, he wasn't.
Jonathan Hay:They're confusing that with Tupac.
Jonathan Hay:Biggie says in the song Hypnotize, that was.
Jonathan Hay:That was released a week before he died.
Jonathan Hay:Close like Starsky and Hutch.
Jonathan Hay:Me and Puff, Close like Starsky and Hutch.
Jonathan Hay:Right.
Jonathan Hay:They were best friends.
Jonathan Hay:Real life.
Speaker B:It ain't real life.
Speaker B:Real life, street stars.
Speaker B:You know what time it is.
Speaker B:First and foremost, Jonathan, if you don't mind reintroducing yourself, tell, you know, giving a little bit about your background for those who may not know you, and then we'll get your take on all that.
Jonathan Hay:Okay?
Jonathan Hay:Yeah.
Jonathan Hay:So my name is Jonathan Hay.
Jonathan Hay:I'm a publicist.
Jonathan Hay:I've been doing this for 25 years at a pretty high level with a bunch of major clients and stuff like that.
Jonathan Hay:Throughout the years, people can Google it and see, you know, and see the stuff that I've done and that type of thing.
Jonathan Hay:But, you know, I want to say something real quick when we jump off, I was just sitting here thinking about some of the people who are discrediting because I've been speaking out for, you know, just like for the last few months, and people have been trying to discredit me, and I see that they discredit.
Jonathan Hay:They try to discredit Jaguar.
Jonathan Hay:Right?
Jonathan Hay:And the thing that I want to say about.
Jonathan Hay:The thing I want to say about that is to start it off is like, I challenge academics.
Jonathan Hay:Who is a journalist?
Jonathan Hay:He's an investigative journalist, and he's the number one.
Jonathan Hay:He was rated the number one media guy.
Jonathan Hay: future the Prince this year,: Jonathan Hay:Contact future the Prince, contact Drake and see if we didn't do a deal this year.
Jonathan Hay:And I say all that to say because if.
Jonathan Hay:If I can touch Drake.
Jonathan Hay:Pause.
Jonathan Hay:No Diddy.
Jonathan Hay:If I can touch Drake, if I can go that high to the biggest artist in the world, then.
Jonathan Hay:Then there's no telling where I can go.
Jonathan Hay:And so my credibility should never be called into question because I've done deals with Drake this year, and that's fact.
Jonathan Hay:And if, if anybody ever trying to discredit that, like an academics or anything, he can contact Drake direct, ask about me and ask if we did not do a deal this year.
Jonathan Hay:Secondly, a lot of people have been hitting me about, you know, how could Jaguar Wright know all these things, right?
Jonathan Hay:And how, you know, Jaguar Wright hasn't worked with Jay Z since, you know, when she did the Unplugged.
Jonathan Hay:That's a long time ago.
Jonathan Hay:Well, I can tell you just from what I've experienced is the people that have contacted me since I've done like your show and since I've done other shows, people have contacted me, other victims and have sent me, Obviously there's been some people that have sent me stuff that, you know, doesn't check out or whatever, but victims have contacted me and they have sent me proof that can never be disputed, photos, everything else, because they don't want to bring their story out.
Jonathan Hay:But they like what we're doing.
Jonathan Hay:So they're whistleblowing, but they're doing quietly to prep, you know, to protect their jobs and to protect their families and to protect, you know, whatever.
Jonathan Hay:They're not comfortable speaking out.
Jonathan Hay:So if I've got all kinds of information in the last two months just from doing, you know, shows like you guys, I can't imagine all the stuff that Jaguar Wright has got and, and to her and that in the access that she's seen and the people who have came to her, like she has such a bigger reach and such a bigger audience than me.
Jonathan Hay:It's, and, and, and mine is getting to the point where it's overwhelming of people reaching out who have suffered abuse from Diddy, from Jay Z and from these celebrities.
Jonathan Hay:Sorry about that.
Jonathan Hay:I just wanted to, I was just thinking about that right now.
Speaker B:So please.
Speaker B:So if you don't mind letting us know after you came on and did your interview with us, what has come your way as far as, let's just say either backlash or just trying to discredit you or like, what can you let us know kind of what.
Jonathan Hay:There, there hasn't, there hasn't been any backlash as far as like, you know, what Jaguars experience.
Jonathan Hay:Right.
Jonathan Hay:And I was just watching academics the other day and he was, he was being objective about her, but he was also saying like he didn't believe her.
Jonathan Hay:And when I, when I'm saying to, to academics is just what I told you.
Jonathan Hay:Fact check me.
Jonathan Hay:Right?
Jonathan Hay:Put, put your investigative journalist hat on and fact check me about Drake.
Jonathan Hay:And I, like I was saying fact Check me.
Jonathan Hay:And Jaguar has more information than I do.
Jonathan Hay:So to anybody who discredits her, is.
Jonathan Hay:Is.
Jonathan Hay:Is really doesn't know.
Jonathan Hay:Doesn't know what's going on, because she has more information than I could even even dream of having.
Jonathan Hay:Because I'm sure without even speaking to her about this, that people have contacted her, given her information and stuff like that.
Jonathan Hay:The people who've reached out from even Jay Z's family to me is crazy, you know, so it's just like most of the time, like, I don't even want to know this information, but I feel like I have to speak to them because I understand that they're hurting.
Jonathan Hay:So I know that hers has got to be times a thousand of what I've dealt with, John.
Speaker B:So go ahead.
Speaker C:Did you see this getting out, like, before all this?
Speaker C:Could you.
Speaker C:Could you ever imagine that all this would come to play like it has?
Jonathan Hay:Of course, for sure.
Jonathan Hay:Like, I.
Jonathan Hay:I didn't think about.
Jonathan Hay:I didn't think about as far as, like, you know, did he getting arrested?
Jonathan Hay:I kind of just gave up because he's been doing it for so long, you understand?
Jonathan Hay:So I just kind of felt like there would never be any kind of justice and they were untouchable.
Jonathan Hay:So it's great to see, you know, these, These pillars getting knocked down.
Speaker B:So with that being said, let's just go with the Jaguar Wright Piers Morgan conversation, where Jay Z, Beyonce, again, their lawyer, reached out to have them to give an ultimatum for them to technically take down the accusations that were made by Jaguar Wright.
Speaker B:When you saw that, because now this is on national tv.
Speaker B:Can you give us your take on how you received that whole takedown in itself?
Jonathan Hay:I thought that.
Jonathan Hay:I thought it was pretty lame, to be honest, because he was going off Jay Z and Beyonce's lawyer, just their words, that.
Jonathan Hay:That was it.
Jonathan Hay:And he took it down and edit the clip.
Jonathan Hay:He.
Jonathan Hay:He censored his uncensored show, which to me was just.
Jonathan Hay:Was.
Jonathan Hay:Was crazy.
Jonathan Hay:Didn't go off any evidence.
Jonathan Hay:There was no proof sent to him, just simply going off the words.
Jonathan Hay:And then I saw the media run with that narrative, which I thought was.
Jonathan Hay:Was.
Jonathan Hay:Was extremely unprofessional and unfair and discredit her and say, you know, that he uncovered something that basically that she wasn't telling the truth and she apologized.
Jonathan Hay:No, that wasn't it at all.
Jonathan Hay:Right.
Jonathan Hay:He just got a call from a lawyer.
Jonathan Hay:So I thought.
Jonathan Hay:I thought it was real whack, in my opinion, for him to censor that.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And in the same week, you see Dame Dash does his own podcast on his own network where he mentions Jaguar Wright.
Speaker B:And he says, you know, some.
Speaker B:The things she.
Speaker B:Are the things she's saying, most of it is true.
Speaker B:Again, he said she may, like, put a little extra sauce on it.
Speaker B:But from what he knows and from what he, you know, what he remembers, most of what she's saying is based in reality, based in.
Speaker B:On a truth.
Speaker B:What are your thoughts on that when, as far as Dame Dash comes forward, because this is Jay's right man and I.
Speaker B:And let us know your dealings with Dame Dash, if anything, back then.
Speaker B:So for him to go in and say, yes, what she's saying is based in a true environment, basically correct.
Jonathan Hay:You know, I, I've got mad respect for Dame Dash.
Jonathan Hay:I've never worked with Dame Dash, unfortunately, I've worked with Jay Z directly.
Jonathan Hay:But as far as far as Dame Dash, I've never worked with him.
Jonathan Hay:And I think it's amazing for him to come out and say that.
Jonathan Hay:And he could come out and say, oh, he could say a whole lot more because really, he knows everything.
Jonathan Hay:Like, like, like Dane Dash knows when they were going on.
Jonathan Hay:On tour that Jay Z used to have transgender women on there.
Jonathan Hay:He.
Jonathan Hay:On the tour bus.
Jonathan Hay:He knows that.
Jonathan Hay:He knows that Jay Z used to prefer transgender women.
Jonathan Hay:So I don't know why I wish Dame Dash would come out and, you know, say everything, but maybe, maybe in his own way, he's trying to, you know, protect the hip hop culture and knows how many people could be crushed if he came out and really spoke about Jay Z secrets.
Speaker B:You've been in the industry for so long for, you know, almost three decades now, probably, you know, just dabbling in it when it comes to that specific thing, because we've seen where people are speaking on the woman that was in the Biggie Smalls.
Speaker B:One more, I believe, one more chance video, or whichever video it was, the big popping video.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, we see that had a lead as a transgender woman and that story was making headlines.
Speaker B:Was there or is there a fascination in the transgender world, in hip hop, when you were coming at, like, an unwritten rule or a myth that there's a thing for transgenders within the hip hop community?
Speaker B:Because it seems to be almost like it was taboo back then, but these things are coming to light now.
Jonathan Hay:I, I think with the transgender, you know, the transgender women, I, I feel like it's just more.
Jonathan Hay:It's more common in New York than it is anywhere else.
Jonathan Hay:Like, being in.
Jonathan Hay:Being in New York, you know, you see, you know, you see them everywhere.
Jonathan Hay:She.
Jonathan Hay:Her.
Jonathan Hay:Right.
Jonathan Hay:You see it everywhere.
Jonathan Hay:Whereas down in the south, like, where I was from, I've never really experienced that at all, you know, so I don't know if that's part of it, but it seems like they set out, you know, they set out to do that, you know.
Speaker C:Did you personally see JC with transgender women?
Speaker C:You personally.
Jonathan Hay:I have corrected.
Speaker B:Can you speak on, like, maybe in what aspect?
Speaker B:Is it music video or outside of music videos?
Jonathan Hay:It was during it.
Jonathan Hay:It was during the tour.
Jonathan Hay:It was during the tour with the Mill, dmx, Jay Z, the Hard Knock.
Speaker B:Like.
Jonathan Hay:No, no, maybe a different one.
Jonathan Hay:Yeah, with they.
Jonathan Hay:They had the.
Jonathan Hay:They had the documentary for it.
Jonathan Hay:What was that called?
Jonathan Hay:I.
Jonathan Hay:I'll think of it.
Jonathan Hay:I'll think of it here in a little bit.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was a documentary.
Speaker B:Backstage or backstage?
Jonathan Hay:Backstage.
Jonathan Hay:With.
Jonathan Hay:With the.
Jonathan Hay:With the.
Jonathan Hay:With the Mill and all that.
Jonathan Hay:I used to work with her, and I definitely.
Jonathan Hay: as unmistakable, you know, in: Speaker B:Okay with that being said, just to, you know, stay within the world of Jay Z.
Speaker B:Everyone remembers Jay Z, of course, before Beyonce, you know, hip hop, you know, climbing up the ranks, you know, beef with Nas, you know, of course, coming right after Biggie Smalls, Big L's death.
Speaker B:And then, of course, Beyonce kind of cleaned up his image a little bit.
Speaker B:It seems like a lot of these conversations are coming before or right at the cusp of him, of course, marrying Beyonce, you know, revealing that they were married and kind of.
Speaker B:Kind of changing his image a little bit.
Speaker B:Is it.
Speaker B:Do you feel.
Speaker B:Is that contrast as far as almost night and day of what Jay Z is now versus back then, before his marriage?
Jonathan Hay:I really can't speak on how he is now, but I.
Jonathan Hay:I would say so just from, like, the general perception, you know, I was talking to this Tick Tocker the other day, and she was pretty shocked because I told her, you know, that I.
Jonathan Hay:I was seeing all the.
Jonathan Hay:Some of the backlash that that Jaguar was getting.
Jonathan Hay:And I saw that Ray J, you know, Ray J had said something, you know, disrespecting her.
Jonathan Hay:And I told the Tik Tocker.
Jonathan Hay:It went viral, like, on Tik Tok yesterday.
Jonathan Hay:I was like, well, listen, Ray J is just defending Beyonce and Jay Z because, you know, Jay Z is a cuckold.
Jonathan Hay:And once again, I know that for 100% a fact.
Jonathan Hay:100% fact.
Jonathan Hay:Like I said, go back to academics.
Jonathan Hay:You know, academics likes to break stuff down.
Jonathan Hay:Fact check me and see if I did not work with Drake and get paid with Drake this year.
Jonathan Hay:And if I'm working with Drake, then I have access to everybody.
Jonathan Hay:So I know that Jay Z is a cuckold, right?
Jonathan Hay:He likes to watch Beyonce with other men.
Jonathan Hay:Ray J, from what I heard, even before all this happened, was one of the guys that used to smash Beyonce.
Jonathan Hay:While Jay Z would watch Diddy, as we know, is into those things.
Jonathan Hay:That's in the indictment.
Jonathan Hay:You know, Cassie has not denied it, but they've came out and said, you know, that, that Diddy used to like to watch Cassie.
Jonathan Hay:That's what he's into.
Jonathan Hay:Some men like to do that stuff.
Jonathan Hay:There's not a crime in that.
Jonathan Hay:But yes, Ray J, from what I was told, from being inside, at the highest level, that, that Jay Z likes to watch Beyonce with different men, such as Ray J.
Speaker C:Let me ask you something, Jonathan.
Speaker C:Have you ever been to any Diddy parties or anything like that?
Jonathan Hay:No, I haven't.
Speaker C:Were you ever invited or anything like that?
Jonathan Hay:I was invited during the, I was invited during the pandemic.
Speaker C:Okay.
Jonathan Hay:But what we knew was, what we know is a Diddy party now isn't the same, you know, like when I was asked to come to, you know, to one of his parties, I had no idea that it was gonna be like a, a freak off or, you know, anything else.
Jonathan Hay:And honestly, like, I, I regret not going because I just went.
Jonathan Hay:I would have liked to seen how crazy it would have.
Jonathan Hay:Like, would he have been out front?
Jonathan Hay:Like, how did he, how, how did he move?
Jonathan Hay:Did he send everybody home?
Jonathan Hay:And, you know, when you're going home, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Jonathan Hay:Like, that's when it was about to, about to start off.
Jonathan Hay:But when I was, I was working.
Jonathan Hay:This is another thing, you know, people can, you know, people can check me and fact check.
Jonathan Hay:I was working with the Notorious B.I.G camp, right?
Jonathan Hay:And I did a deal with Biggie's estate.
Jonathan Hay:Biggie was best friends with who?
Jonathan Hay:Jay Z.
Jonathan Hay:And he was signed to Diddy.
Jonathan Hay:And people, a lot of people say, oh, Biggie was about to leave.
Jonathan Hay:Bad boy.
Jonathan Hay:No, he wasn't.
Jonathan Hay:They're confusing that with Tupac.
Jonathan Hay:Biggie says in the song Hypnotize, that was, that was released a week before he died.
Jonathan Hay:Close, like Starsky and Hutch.
Jonathan Hay:Me and Puff, close, like Starsky and Hutch, right?
Jonathan Hay:They were best friends, you know, like, so they were always Together.
Jonathan Hay:So Jay Z being close to Biggie and Diddy.
Jonathan Hay:So when I'm working with the Biggie.
Jonathan Hay:I'm sorry.
Jonathan Hay:So when I work with the Biggie estate and the Biggie camp, of course they're close to Jay Z and Diddy.
Jonathan Hay:So when I was out there working with them, signed with them with CJ Wallace, Biggie sun, and we went viral on that type of stuff.
Jonathan Hay:I met like Willie Mack, I met like King Combs, Christian Combs, because they were all friends and they were all family.
Jonathan Hay:Diddy and C.J.
Jonathan Hay:were, were, were super close.
Jonathan Hay:So of course.
Jonathan Hay:And we were doing a Biggie project.
Jonathan Hay:So of course I dealt with Puff.
Jonathan Hay:So of course I know what I'm talking about.
Jonathan Hay:Like, once again, all this can be fact checked because I hear those stuff about like, you know, Jaguar Wright is just, you know, out here saying, you know, a bunch of BS and you know, I've heard that I've got, It's like, no, you can fact check that.
Jonathan Hay:It's, it's easy, it's easy to find and ask them, ask Senator's big estate if they invite me to a Diddy party.
Speaker B:So can I ask you, when you see someone says like a Ray Jaguar Wright is crazy if they bring up your name.
Speaker B:Oh, what he's talking about is just crazy.
Speaker B:What do you say to those who just try to write that off as crazy?
Speaker B:Because it sounds so I guess you could say unbelievable.
Jonathan Hay:So prove it.
Jonathan Hay:So prove it that, Prove it that she's crazy.
Jonathan Hay:Prove it that, that she's not telling the truth.
Jonathan Hay:Because a lot of people are listening to.
Jonathan Hay:A lot of people listening and paying attention to her.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It seems as if they want, they say someone needs to produce receipts.
Speaker B:Sometimes it's hard to produce a receipt of something that you visually saw with your own eyes.
Speaker B:You didn't take a picture, you didn't write it down.
Speaker B:Someone just telling you what they recall from just seeing it or a phone call they got.
Speaker B:We live in a world back then.
Speaker B: s, early: Speaker B:It was before social media or like text messaging was very heavy and you didn't keep the text messages back then.
Speaker B:There was no cloud storage to where I could have a receipt from 20 years ago.
Speaker B:It's just basically going off memory.
Speaker B:Like I'm sure everything that you're saying is going off of your memory of what happened versus oh, I went home and I took a picture or I wrote this down in an email and sent it to myself so I could bring it up 20 years later.
Speaker B:What do you say to that as far as the times, the time gap in which these things occurred versus retelling your story now?
Jonathan Hay:I mean, listen, I agree with what you're saying, but there's also the other, the other side of it, too is we also have to protect some of the people around us that don't want to be out there, that don't want to be known.
Jonathan Hay:Like, for example, there's a woman who, you know, she has four kids and she's in New York and she's like, going to like, Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts and doing stuff for the kids.
Jonathan Hay:She doesn't want other parents to know about her past.
Jonathan Hay:And, you know, so when we say some things, we have to hold some, some stuff back to protect other people that were around that don't want to be associated by that.
Jonathan Hay:You understand what I'm saying?
Jonathan Hay:So I know that she has that as well.
Speaker B:That's very true.
Speaker B:And I think some people forget that sometimes other people are affected by stories that are being told where they have children and they, and they, you know, you have to look into all of that and the ramifications of it.
Jonathan Hay:Right.
Speaker B:I want to go back to this.
Speaker B:We'll call it a rumor for now, what you heard about Ray J, Beyonce and Jay Z.
Speaker B:And I'm just curious, Jonathan, when you hear information like that, when that comes to you, what are your thoughts?
Speaker B:Is it normalized when you hear, like, cuckold situations and with celebrities?
Speaker B:Is that normal when you hear that, or is that, like, are you surprised when you hear information like that?
Jonathan Hay:I, I'm, I'm surprised when it comes to, you know, Jay Z especially because it's, you know, like Beyonce.
Jonathan Hay:But, but it's, it's, it's pretty normal.
Jonathan Hay:Surprisingly.
Jonathan Hay:It's a very, it's an industry that's very dominated by sex and drugs.
Jonathan Hay:Right?
Jonathan Hay:And it's out there.
Jonathan Hay:Like, nobody's hiding it.
Jonathan Hay:Like, some of.
Jonathan Hay:If people would be, you know, like, shocked.
Jonathan Hay:If we're shocked, we're not really paying attention to the music and videos and images that we're listening to because it's right in front of our face.
Jonathan Hay:Like, it's not hidden, right?
Jonathan Hay:Everybody's talking about it and everybody's acting that part.
Jonathan Hay:Well, then they could say, well, this is just art.
Jonathan Hay:Well, maybe.
Jonathan Hay:But I know, listen, I know from, from, from Jay Z when he used to have his T Mobile Sidekick, his.
Jonathan Hay:And you go to like that little.
Jonathan Hay:Do you remember those?
Jonathan Hay:I'm older than you guys, so I don't Know if you remember the little sidekicks that the T mobile two way, you know, type things.
Jonathan Hay:Yeah.
Jonathan Hay:So, you know, I was, I was with the, I was with the girl and he was asking about her and then he was asking me stuff like, you know, would you, would you be interested in like, you know, somebody watching?
Jonathan Hay:He was just asking some really, really bugged out questions.
Jonathan Hay:And I still have those emails, I still have all that, you know, so like that's one of the things that I was going to include in the book.
Jonathan Hay:I'm just trying to figure out how I would do that.
Jonathan Hay:But yeah, I mean it is what it is.
Jonathan Hay:You know, it just, I just get real frustrated about when I see these people talk about, okay, Jaguar wasn't there and if she wasn't there, then she knows somebody who's came to her and talked to her.
Jonathan Hay:Because I've, I've been getting that so much as I said, can I ask.
Speaker B:You in regards to, even with Sean Combs, what did he's going through to see the lack of celebrities or people that technically were around at these parties, whether they were into some freak offs or not.
Speaker B:Is it surprising to see not many people speaking up?
Speaker B:What's your take on when you see other celebrities that you know were around him or called him a friend not speaking up at this time?
Jonathan Hay:Well, I think, you know, that's to that, that that's to be expected because you know that the industry, you know, they, they, they like you when you're hot.
Jonathan Hay:They don't, they don't mess, they don't mess with you when they're cold.
Jonathan Hay:So I'm not, I'm not really surprised by nobody coming out and speaking out to his defense because, you know, with all the victims that are coming forward, how could you really.
Jonathan Hay:Because the hip hop community, as you guys know, will come together for a cause.
Jonathan Hay:We'll come together to, you know, fight the power and to fight for what is right.
Jonathan Hay:But you know, people are just seeing too much too, too much evidence, too many victims, too much, too much stuff to really be like, okay, nothing happened here.
Jonathan Hay:You know, there's just too much.
Speaker C:Well, did you, did you ever run into Farnsworth Bentley while dealing with Diddy?
Jonathan Hay:I never did, no.
Jonathan Hay: h Diddy like this is up until: Jonathan Hay:estate.
Speaker C:Oh, okay.
Jonathan Hay:So I think he was gone.
Speaker B:What do you say to people that would say both you, Jaguar, others, let's say like, you know, I don't want, you know, I don't want to speak on the victims right now.
Speaker B:But just for you and Jaguar, what would you say for those that might say, hey, you have a vendetta to pick with either Jay Z, with either Diddy or whoever it is?
Speaker B:It seems like Jay Z is a, is a target as of now, now that Diddy is already arrested.
Speaker B:Is that, is it a vendetta against Jay Z?
Speaker B:If someone said, if someone used those words and said they have a vendetta.
Jonathan Hay:Against him, well, for sure it's a vendetta.
Jonathan Hay:It's a vendetta for the, to speak, for the people who can't speak for the victims who can't say anything, who are scared, who are living in fear, have been traumatized.
Jonathan Hay:So I, I don't, I don't know if vendetta is the right word.
Jonathan Hay:I'm definitely angry about it and I definitely am just not gonna not say anything.
Jonathan Hay:Like when I started speaking out, I was, I, I, I didn't know it would turn into, I didn't know it would turn into so much and I didn't know that it would turn into so many people reaching out to me, you know, offering support and encouragement and talking to their stories and sharing their pain and sharing their trauma.
Jonathan Hay:So now it's not now it' than that because now I feel responsibility and an accountability for all these people that have been wronged by these celebrities.
Speaker C:Jonathan, how, how were you treated when you were dealing with them?
Speaker C:Diddy and Jay Z, how were you treated by them?
Jonathan Hay:I was, I was treated like, I was treated good.
Jonathan Hay:It was just, you know, it's all fake love, right?
Jonathan Hay:Like Jay Z never, he never paid.
Jonathan Hay:Diddy always did, you know, and especially dealing with like the Notorious B.I.G.
Jonathan Hay:estate and C.J.
Jonathan Hay:wallace, they never complained about that.
Jonathan Hay:Like Diddy was always seemed to be pretty generous with coming through on his word.
Jonathan Hay:Jay Z, from my dealings with them, he doesn't, he always takes, he's like a slow payer type person, you know.
Jonathan Hay:So, you know, I, I don't really know.
Jonathan Hay:But now, now I know that they're upset, right, because people are coming to speak out.
Jonathan Hay:And let's be honest, Jay Z and Beyonce, they're starting to fall off and there's, there's a chink in their armor and, and people like us are just going forward because finally something penetrated through no Diddy that we are able to go after Jay and bring Jay down and have him face justice.
Jonathan Hay:Because we couldn't have done this a year ago is too, we couldn't have done this before.
Jonathan Hay:They had Diddy in custody.
Jonathan Hay:And before, you know, the investigation started and everything else, it showed, it.
Jonathan Hay:It showed that they.
Jonathan Hay:They weren't above the law anymore.
Jonathan Hay:You know what I mean?
Jonathan Hay:So people, people have came together and people are rallying together.
Jonathan Hay:And yeah, there's.
Jonathan Hay:There's several of us, several people talking, but that's amongst a whole bunch of people that are coming to us.
Speaker B:Can I ask you your thoughts on Jaguar Wright speaks on Pierce Morgan?
Speaker B:Vlad TV comes on right after her to call her a conspiracy theorist.
Speaker B:You just spoke on academics, of course, fact checking.
Speaker B:What would you say towards Vlad TV as far as speaking on Jaguar right after she got on Piers Morgan?
Jonathan Hay:You know, the.
Jonathan Hay:The same thing.
Jonathan Hay:Vlad, Vlad would love to have Jaguar on his show.
Jonathan Hay:Right.
Jonathan Hay:He would get more views than any interview that he's done all year.
Jonathan Hay:He's not stupid.
Jonathan Hay:So I don't know why that he would say that he would never allow Jaguar on his platform when Vlad tv.
Jonathan Hay:Vlad is.
Jonathan Hay:Vlad has allowed killers on his platform.
Jonathan Hay:And Vlad has stirred up so much, so many of these shootings, like in Jacksonville and in Chicago.
Jonathan Hay:Like, he's.
Jonathan Hay:He's not a good person at all.
Jonathan Hay:And like, he's the reason why, like, white people are called culture vultures because of people like him.
Jonathan Hay:Right.
Jonathan Hay:Like, he shouldn't even.
Jonathan Hay:He shouldn't even said anything because he doesn't believe that a.
Jonathan Hay:He would love to have Jaguar on his.
Jonathan Hay:On Vlad TV because he would get more views than he has for any of these other lame interviews he's doing.
Speaker B:Yeah, I won't argue that.
Speaker B:Can I ask you, if you were invited on Piers Morgan, would you accept the invitation?
Jonathan Hay:Of course I would go on Piers Morgan and definitely.
Jonathan Hay:And I would want to talk about why that he didn't allow.
Jonathan Hay:Why he censored his unc.
Jonathan Hay:I would want to know.
Jonathan Hay:I would want to talk to him and find out why he did that.
Jonathan Hay:Just going strictly off the word off, no facts, just off the word of the lawyer.
Jonathan Hay:That.
Jonathan Hay:That's what I would like to know.
Jonathan Hay:I'd love to go on his show.
Jonathan Hay:I would never go on Vlad TV show.
Jonathan Hay:I keep calling it Vlad tv.
Jonathan Hay:I never go on Vlad show, you know, and I think.
Jonathan Hay:But I think Joe Budden is, you know, real whack, too.
Jonathan Hay:I've dealt with Joe Budden from Slaughterhouse, right?
Jonathan Hay:Crooked Eye King, Crooked Royce to five, nine, Joel Ortiz.
Jonathan Hay:You know, I.
Jonathan Hay:I dealt with Slaughterhouse, right.
Jonathan Hay:From the Crooked Eye side, mainly.
Jonathan Hay:I worked with Crooked Eye for many years.
Jonathan Hay:And so I know Joe Bud, and for him to speak out against Jaguar and disrespect her is crazy too.
Jonathan Hay:Like, you know, he was defending Star from Star and Buck wild.
Jonathan Hay:Like, and, and I've, like, I was shocked.
Jonathan Hay:Like, as a man, I was embarrassed to hear Star call her the B word non stop over and over again.
Jonathan Hay:Like, he could have got his point across without saying the B word over and over again.
Jonathan Hay:He could still correct her, he could still debate with her, but why disrespect a woman and call her the B word over and over and over again?
Jonathan Hay:And then Joe Budden to co sign that and give that a pass and you know, be like, he agrees with Star.
Jonathan Hay:So, so it's like, okay, you agree with verbal abuse.
Jonathan Hay:That's, that's what Joe Budden is saying.
Jonathan Hay:I agree with verbal abuse, which is surprising considering that I think Joe Budden is like the adult contemporary podcast.
Jonathan Hay:You know, it's just like the older, like at the end of the dial, AM radio type, soft, easy listening, whack.
Jonathan Hay:Sorry.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, sorry.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The conversation between Star and Jaguar, disrespectful a lot of times as far as calling a woman out her name.
Speaker B:And I understand some things do get sensationalized, but yeah, you're right, a conversation can be had without getting to that level.
Speaker B:But I am curious if you did have three to five minutes to speak on Pierce Morgan, where as Jaguar did, he was trying to, of course, uncover the Diddy story.
Speaker B:And then she revealed something bigger in regards to Jay Z and Beyonce, which again, their lawyer reached out within three to five minutes.
Speaker B:What would you have to say if Pierce Morgan brought you on to speak about the world of what's happening with Diddy Puff Daddy.
Jonathan Hay:Honestly, I would say that about Puff Daddy, that I'm glad he's in, I'm glad he's in prison.
Jonathan Hay:I think that, you know, with Pierce Morgan, you have to look at the.
Jonathan Hay:Realize that, that you're touching millions of people and you're, and you're, and you're reaching law enforcement, especially in California, to take a look at C.J.
Jonathan Hay:wallace, Biggie son and Willie Mac, Biggie Son's boyfriend, his lover, his best friend, his business partner.
Jonathan Hay:Take a look at them, because I know how active they were in being involved with Diddy and Christian and, and the Combs kids and being around his property because they lived out in la.
Jonathan Hay:So if, if I want to show, I would try to get some kind of justice, you know, for that.
Jonathan Hay:Because to really get, to really get law enforcement involved, it's kind of like, you know, what they've done with Diddy and what they did with R.
Jonathan Hay:Kelly is, you know, you got, you got, you got to bring the media in and you got to bring the people in to put more pressure on the detectives to go out and investigate, you know, such claims like that.
Jonathan Hay:Because I can tell you, Diddy, Biggie's son, C.J.
Jonathan Hay:wallace, Willie Mack, and, And although that relationship needs to be investigated.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's, that's, that's powerful words.
Speaker B:Can I ask you, as far as.
Speaker B:We see a lot of civil cases being brought up in Diddy, of course, and like you mentioned, R.
Speaker B:Kelly, there was some criminal charges, of course, with trafficking and things of that nature.
Speaker B:From just from your perspective of what you see and what you feel and what you hear is going on in the industry, what percentage of things happening is probably civil matters versus what you see might be criminal?
Jonathan Hay:I think Biggie sun is criminal.
Speaker B:Why do you say that?
Jonathan Hay:Just because he was telling me some of the stuff that he was doing for Diddy, that some, some of the stuff that he was doing, some of the party favors that, that he was getting.
Jonathan Hay:Right.
Jonathan Hay:I was, I was, I was there.
Jonathan Hay:I was in the circle.
Jonathan Hay:I heard about it.
Jonathan Hay:Talking to me, you know, directly, like, you know, the ketamine and stuff.
Jonathan Hay:Well, you know, just, just, just, just look into the relationship of Biggie sun, which shouldn't be surprising.
Jonathan Hay:We're talking about Biggie and Puff.
Jonathan Hay:We're talking about Biggie Son and Puff Daddy.
Jonathan Hay:They should, they should look more into that because they were very, very, very.
Speaker B:Close, you know, Definitely understandable.
Speaker B:And your experience.
Speaker B:Can I ask you, Jonathan, as far as, you know, we look at things like ketamine and the GHB and things of that nature from your time in industry, you know, being in studio sessions or, you know, working.
Speaker B:Working with clients as a publicist, how freely does the drug flow within the industry?
Speaker B:Like, how easily accessible is it to just say, let's get our hands on any type of drug?
Speaker B:Like, whatever you, you know, whatever you need.
Speaker B:Like, is it almost like party favors?
Jonathan Hay:Yeah, but I think, I think more from the studio experience, what, what I've been through is more like cannabis, more like weed and, you know, like smoking a blunt like that.
Jonathan Hay:That's what.
Jonathan Hay:Is.
Jonathan Hay:What we grew up on is like going to the studio, you know, smoke some bud and, you know, smoke some weed and stuff like that.
Jonathan Hay:But, you know, Diddy, he's real into dance music, you know, and weed is like a downer.
Jonathan Hay:Puffy is into dance music and house music and Burning man and Miami Music Week.
Jonathan Hay:And he's into, you know, the rave drugs, the uppers, the 2C, you know, and ketamine is a, is a tranquilizer.
Jonathan Hay:But if you do ketamine, like at a rave show and just like microdose, it's like a totally different vibe.
Jonathan Hay:It's like a psychedelic.
Jonathan Hay:So he's into that scene, right?
Jonathan Hay:So I think the drugs that I experienced, like the parties, it was never really in the studio, was always taken.
Jonathan Hay:It was what was taking place after the studio, you know, like I never saw anybody like, you know, breaking out like a, you know, a lot of coke or any, or ketamine or anything in the studio sessions.
Jonathan Hay:Always rolling weed and stuff like that.
Jonathan Hay:It was afterwards when the, when the partying would start.
Jonathan Hay:Would start.
Speaker B:And can I ask you, when you saw 120 people come forward with a lawsuit from a, from a Texas law firm against Diddy, what are your thoughts when you see 120 people have joined forces where they have a hotline now where you could call if you've been affected by Diddy's situation.
Speaker B:Like, what are your thoughts with that many people coming forward in a law firm taking that many cases to go forward?
Jonathan Hay:I think, I think they said that like last week or two weeks ago.
Jonathan Hay:I think there's probably another 124, 120 more.
Jonathan Hay:And I think it's just going to keep growing.
Jonathan Hay:I think it's, I think it's thousands of people like a, like Jaguar Son.
Speaker B:Do you feel any civil suits maybe may be presented to Jay Z by any chance?
Jonathan Hay:I do.
Jonathan Hay:I think he's already starting to experience it.
Jonathan Hay:It's just, listen, it's hard to get things to stick, you know, it's, it's, it's hard to get things, you know, for a police officer to take it to his command and then them take it to the prosecutor and then the prosecutor take it to the grand jury and then the, you know, the grand jury to file charges.
Jonathan Hay:There's so many steps that have to take place and it's hard to get something to that point.
Jonathan Hay:But I think with Diddy being locked up in Brooklyn, I think that he's, because, you know, you know, police are talking to him about other things that they could possibly plea deal with.
Jonathan Hay:I mean, that, that's only natural and you know that they would love to have some information on Jay Z, because everybody knows that Jay Z's corrupt.
Jonathan Hay:He's been corrupt for 30 years.
Jonathan Hay:He's been corrupt since he came into the business, you know, and people People say stuff too.
Jonathan Hay:Like, I noticed, like, I'm wearing, like this pink thing.
Jonathan Hay:Everybody's like, he wears pink.
Jonathan Hay:He's gay.
Jonathan Hay:He's gay.
Jonathan Hay:It's like, yo, man, I wear pink.
Jonathan Hay:Like, as a.
Jonathan Hay:As a throwback to Cameron, right?
Jonathan Hay:Because Cameron is in Harlem, you know, Washington Heights, Inwood.
Jonathan Hay:You know, my girl, she's in Inwood.
Jonathan Hay:That's where she's from.
Jonathan Hay:But anyways, Cameron was one of the first people to speak out against Jay Z, right, When he was dissing them 20 years ago, talking about Jay Z being gay.
Jonathan Hay:Listen to his disc.
Jonathan Hay:Talking about Jay Z.
Jonathan Hay:Like, him in.
Jonathan Hay:Talking about Jay Z being shady.
Jonathan Hay:Like, everybody's known.
Jonathan Hay:Jay Z's been.
Jonathan Hay:Been wicked for years.
Jonathan Hay:And I know that he's freaking out because they've seen what's going on with Diddy.
Jonathan Hay:Absolutely.
Jonathan Hay:Jay Z's next.
Speaker C:We'll take a quick break.
Speaker C:I don't know what's going on with Joker.
Speaker C:Hold on.
Jonathan Hay:All right.
Speaker B:Can you hear me?
Speaker C:Yeah, there we go.
Speaker B:I was asking, do you feel like Jay Z should be saying something right now?
Speaker B:Not through his lawyers, not through a third party, but that Jay Z should be speaking, saying something, if anything.
Jonathan Hay:Absolutely he should be.
Jonathan Hay:I mean, why?
Jonathan Hay:Why shouldn't he?
Jonathan Hay:There's a lot of people that.
Jonathan Hay:That.
Jonathan Hay:That's calling for him and asking questions.
Jonathan Hay:Why?
Jonathan Hay:Why.
Jonathan Hay:Why isn't he coming out and speaking?
Jonathan Hay:Why isn't Beyonce.
Jonathan Hay:Why isn't.
Jonathan Hay:Why aren't they speaking up for the victims even?
Jonathan Hay:They're not doing anything.
Jonathan Hay:They're just being quiet because they're waiting and they're scared.
Jonathan Hay:Jay Z and Beyonce are shook for sure once again.
Jonathan Hay:I know that they are so scared of an indictment coming down, a superseding indictment with Jay Z and Beyonce.
Jonathan Hay:Because if Beyonce and Jay Z, right, Since Jay Z likes to watch his wife separately, alone, If Diddy's having a freak off and they're there.
Jonathan Hay:We've seen Jay Z with Diddy at all his parties.
Jonathan Hay:If, you know, after everybody leaves and that's when the freak off has happened, why wouldn't Beyonce partake?
Jonathan Hay:And other things.
Jonathan Hay:And, you know, Jay Z and Diddy, you know, doing their weird, freaky, you know, jacking off in the corner, whatever they do.
Jonathan Hay:Yet he's doing it.
Jonathan Hay:Yet he's doing it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:So to add, on top of that, we just seen Kanye west get hit with a lawsuit by his ex assistant for lacing a drink, allegedly at a Diddy studio session.
Speaker B:And some text messages were revealed in her lawsuit of Kanye west also liking to, you Know, do some freaky things, let's just say.
Jonathan Hay:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:What are your thoughts?
Speaker B:When, like now, like, these are the heads of hip hop.
Speaker B:Like, is any.
Speaker B:Is anyone safe?
Speaker B:I mean, is like, is everything coming out?
Speaker B:Because these are, these allegations, again, they come off as wild, but again, I'll never take away from a victim story, basically.
Speaker B:So what are your thoughts when you see like that with Kanye?
Jonathan Hay:Well, these, this is the old regime, right?
Jonathan Hay:A new, A new one's kicking through the door.
Jonathan Hay:A new one's emerging because Diddy and Jay Z and Biggie, those three people, right?
Jonathan Hay:Two from Brooklyn, another from Harlem.
Jonathan Hay:You know, they, they were running New York and New York was like running hip hop, right?
Jonathan Hay:They were the, they were the East Coast.
Jonathan Hay:So Biggie, as we know, has been dead now for what, like 25 years?
Jonathan Hay:Maybe like 27 years, right?
Jonathan Hay:And then you have Jay Z and you have Diddy and they were, they're, they're all like, clicked up.
Jonathan Hay:So when you knock out Diddy and then you can knock out Jay Z, it's going to be a completely new industry.
Jonathan Hay:And it's been an industry that, that, that people like Cameron has wanted since back in the day and Mace has won it since back in the day and, you know, cut out all this that, you know, that we've been dealing with in the industry.
Jonathan Hay:So I think, I think, I think it's, it's, it's.
Jonathan Hay:It's just a new time, and I think it's going to be much more positive.
Jonathan Hay:I think it's going to be much more uplifting and not so negative with all this, with, with all this garbage that, that Jay Z and Diddy have been the ringleaders on.
Speaker B:No, definitely, definitely.
Speaker B:And before we get out of Jonathan, just, you know, again, you've been in the industry and you've seen it.
Speaker B:I'm just curious, based on the way things, the trajectory of what's happening, just honestly, what do you feel is next?
Speaker B:Are there other players that will get involved?
Speaker B:What do you see coming next?
Speaker B:Just from, just seeing how this is going right now?
Jonathan Hay:Jay Z indicted.
Jonathan Hay:I mean, there, there's no way that, there's no way that he can.
Jonathan Hay:Right.
Jonathan Hay:Jay Z's business partners, two of them are in prison.
Jonathan Hay:Did he R.
Jonathan Hay:Kelly.
Jonathan Hay:And then you have Weinstein three, like, and then Jay's being.
Jonathan Hay:Jay Z's been accused of all these things.
Jonathan Hay:Jay Z's going down.
Jonathan Hay:And it's curious, I'm real curious to see what's going to happen with Beyonce in that situation.
Speaker B:Definitely, definitely with that being said.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, Jonathan, again, you know, you speaking your truth, man, it's powerful things, man.
Speaker B:It's powerful things.
Speaker B:Is there a message you'd like to get out there to either the media, the victims, to the victimizers?
Speaker B:Is there any message that you would like to get out just as far as.
Speaker B:Just to close it out?
Jonathan Hay:Yeah.
Jonathan Hay:I mean, nobody has disproven Jaguar Wright, and people feel real threatened by her because she can communicate so well.
Jonathan Hay:She can speak better than anybody, like I've ever heard, the way her inflections and her cadence and her and her speech.
Jonathan Hay:So she can really bring a point home.
Jonathan Hay:And I think that she's been one of the main components that have brought down Diddy.
Jonathan Hay:And now she's after.
Jonathan Hay:Now she's after Jay, who she's also been after.
Jonathan Hay:But I've joined forces.
Jonathan Hay:I've joined forces with her.
Jonathan Hay:Right.
Jonathan Hay:I'm a soldier for her cause.
Jonathan Hay:Like, I believe in it because I know, because I've seen the same things.
Jonathan Hay:And it's, it's getting worse when I'm seeing.
Jonathan Hay:And, like, the more that I, I go in and down this path, the more people that are coming to me, sharing their stories and sharing their truths, and it's, it's, it's uglier than I thought because I never spoke out about these kind of things because it was just normal.
Jonathan Hay:It was just normal for me.
Jonathan Hay:It was normal business.
Jonathan Hay:It's like, oh, you show up to a workplace, all these people are fouling corrupt, but then you, you know, you clock out on your punch card and you go home and you don't have to deal with it, and then you go back in.
Jonathan Hay:But it is very traumatic.
Jonathan Hay:It is very toxic.
Jonathan Hay:And I'm glad to see it finally.
Jonathan Hay:I'm glad to see it finally changing.
Jonathan Hay:And like I said, I've said this several times.
Jonathan Hay:I'd love for academics to really fact check and look into me and all the people that I'm connected to, starting with Drake and then starting and then going down to Jay Z.
Jonathan Hay:And then people can see that what I'm saying is 100 the truth.
Jonathan Hay:And what Jaguar is saying is 100 the truth.
Speaker C:I have one more question before we gotta get out of here.
Jonathan Hay:Yes?
Speaker C:What is.
Speaker C:What have you alleged that Jay Z has done?
Speaker C:Like, does the victims have.
Speaker C:That Jay Z has done to the victims?
Speaker C:What are the victims saying?
Jonathan Hay:The victims are saying that.
Jonathan Hay:That they've been through the same type of things with Diddy that what they're saying about Diddy, they're saying about Jay Z, Numerous women and.
Jonathan Hay:And I've dealt with a few that I've heard from, and I didn't know it was the truth.
Jonathan Hay:I didn't know what was, you know, real or.
Jonathan Hay:Or what wasn't, but just the people contacting me, telling me that they don't.
Jonathan Hay:That did.
Jonathan Hay:This one woman that, like, broke my heart, she contacted me on Instagram, and she was talking about her story, and then we FaceTimed and she was completely broken.
Jonathan Hay:Her husband didn't know.
Jonathan Hay:She made me swear that I would never tell anybody, but she just wanted to share this with me.
Jonathan Hay:She couldn't go to the police, she couldn't go to counseling.
Jonathan Hay:She couldn't do anything because she didn't want anybody to know.
Jonathan Hay:But she was telling me her.
Jonathan Hay:Her experiences with Jay Z, and it was.
Jonathan Hay:It was.
Jonathan Hay:It was just crushing.
Jonathan Hay:It was chilling what she was telling me.
Jonathan Hay:Right.
Jonathan Hay:And there's nothing that she can do because she doesn't want her husband to know, she doesn't want her children to know, she doesn't want her community to know.
Jonathan Hay:Right.
Jonathan Hay:So.
Jonathan Hay:But she wanted to get it off her chest because it's trauma for her.
Jonathan Hay:It's eating at her.
Jonathan Hay:So that's the type of stuff that I've been dealing with and listening to.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:All right, well, we're gonna pick this back up, man.
Speaker C:Just thank you.
Jonathan Hay:Yeah, no doubt.
Jonathan Hay:Yeah.
Jonathan Hay:Thank you so much.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:And, you know, we'll.
Speaker C:We'll pick this back up, man.
Speaker C:I appreciate the time.
Jonathan Hay:Yeah, I appreciate it, too.
Jonathan Hay:You guys are really, like, really, really changing this, The.
Jonathan Hay:The culture, and you guys are really helping people get justice.
Jonathan Hay:People are.
Jonathan Hay:So many people have contacted me about you guys, so, you know, you guys are a blessing for sure.
Speaker C:I appreciate you.
Speaker C:All right, we'll talk to you.
Jonathan Hay:All right, brother.
Speaker B:Real life street stars.
Speaker B:You know what time it is?
